FreeThink Comment Blog
Is executive pay an example of a perfectly functioning market? PDF Print E-mail
Written by Giles Wilkes   
Monday, 17 August 2009 06:58

I can thank Liberal Vision for alerting me to the Compass Campaign about High Pay.  Vince Cable is signed up.  I like Liberal Vision - it is good to have an blog pushing their line without the sometimes unthinking dogma that goes with the Adam Smith institute or the IEA blog. But unlike Liberal Vision,  I don't think that the ever-escalating ratio of executive to average pay deserves a big "so what"?  Yes, the idea of the government determining who is worth what is odious, and potentially dangerous.  But that does not mean that executive pay is a functioning market.  As the FT reports today:

"Politicians and investors are concerned by a long-term trend towards high pay for executives against that of most workers. Incomes Data Services says average pay of chief executives of FTSE 100 companies, including options and incentives, rose 167 per cent to £2.4m between 2000 and 2008. The median pay for full-time employees rose just 32 per cent to £25,000 in the same period."

Anyone who has been in business knows of useless executives that get high pay because their position rather than their contribution makes it possible. As I have written before, pay outcomes are not all a straightforward consequence of the market smoothly allocating rewards to economic merit.  The exercise of power in some form or other enables the high paid to 'rent-seek', whether they be bankers or Tube drivers.   Shareholders surely understand that they have a major coordination problem here - a classic Prisoner's Dilemma, whereby it would make sense for pay over the whole universe of high-paid executives to fall by 50% (with little impact on economic efficiency), but the temptations to welsh on agreements will make this fail. 

I don't have a neat answer to this, but unlike LV I do think there is a problem.  It is one reason I like progressive taxation.  As pay rises, the extent to which the employee is able to gain rewards through rent-seeking rather than entrepreneurial innovation rises (think Microsoft Windows).  Expecting a roomful of bureaucrats to determine the exact division of merit is impossible.  But the notion that  the more you get, the more rent you have been extracting, is a pretty good rule of thumb. 

I am personally sceptical that high pay caused the financial crisis: it is more of an epiphenomenon - the crunch could have been caused by people being paid half as much (in fact, incomes data suggests that every single financial crisis before this one must have been caused by people being paid a half, or quarter, as much).  A letter asks the really interesting question: why are banking profits so high - what has happened to the principle of competitive erosion of profits here?  The fact that employees rather than shareholders collect so much of this is secondary in this industry, although still interesting. 

Larry Elliott (see last post) should look at this graph from Krugman.

 

 

Comments (51)
Yes, there is a problem, but how much does the state itself contribute to it?
1 Monday, 17 August 2009 13:11
The first question that needs answering however is how much and in what ways does the state itself cause such a problem. It is almost axiomatic to us mutualists that people tend only to get disproportionately wealthy as a result of things the state does, perhaps inadvertantly, to provide protection and privilege for such rent-seeking. I suggest a look at "Organizational Theory: a Libertarian Perspective" by Kevin Carson.

In banking it could be because they are playing with things (our currency that ultimately the state has to back up) that they do not carry ultimate risk for - they are really subcontractors of the central banking system. In other industries it can be valuization/valorization that gives teh stockholders such a boost they feel they can reward executives so highly, or patent farming. So actually the state doing less, substantially less (in my case preferably nothing at all) could help this situation without a bunch of politicians meddling even more.

It *is* none of their business; them and their forebears have always protected such people to some extent or another, and it is through withdrawing from that on the part of the state that things will improve.
Not so sure
2 Monday, 17 August 2009 21:39
I think banking remuneration was a problem before the state got involved, and in fact state restrictions - such as on movement of capital - have had a profound influence on banking returns in the past. When I read that something is 'axiomatic', I tend to translate as "premise, not conclusion" - something being assumed, rather than proven. I need to seek proof that government is the problem in this case.

In Banking I suspect that the natural tendency to monopoly would preserve very high returns, if there were no government involvement. A difficult counterfactual - banks certainly rely upon governments to enforce property rules, but I don't think this is the same as protection.
well said, Giles
3 Monday, 17 August 2009 23:25
Tim Leunig
The only interesting question is why banking is so profitable. Whether the surplus goes to workers or shareholders is a secondary issue.

Part if it is that some people are reluctant to move banks.
Part of it is that some people don't shop around.

So it is good to work on those - portability of bank accounts and ISAs, for example. Perhaps a "most favoured nation" status for bank accounts - so that obsolete accounts have to offer the rates as good as currently available rates.

This is far better than some quango that will just lead the top people to leave Britain - taking their tax revenues with them.
Thanks Tim
4 Tuesday, 18 August 2009 10:07
I remember there being anguished Royal Commissions or whatever that delved into the seeming lack of competition in Banking - why the Big Four, as they then were, were able to hang onto so much retail business, lethargic consumers. I like your ideas for improving the portability of business.

But the recent spate of profit announcements by banks (which are in a way good news - better to have profit equity than taxpayer equity) suggests that the real unprofitability lies in trading books rather than retail. I suspect the answer lies in having a really vigorous hedge fund sector to compete the profits away - but I doubt I'll make myself popular by saying so.
No response from Economic Liberals
5 Tuesday, 25 August 2009 20:04
About 18 months ago there was a Lib Dem mini-conference organised in London and one of the invited speakers was Richard Wilkinson. He had been doing research into inequality and found that there is a high social cost in allowing society to become more unequal, as has happened here and in the US.
Since then of course he has published a book "The Spirit Level. Why More Equal Societies Almost Always Do Better". If you do not have the time to read the book, you can see a good summary here; http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/resources/inequality-video
I cannot understand how any Liberal can view this and not come to the conclusion that we should live in a more equal society, similar to the Nordic countries.
When I joined the Liberal party in 1983 this was something we seemed far more committed to than we do today.
I know that today we are all talking about increasing social mobility. Well we can all agree about that, but it is only a small part of the equality agenda, and guess what; societies that are more equal have greater social mobility. Despite the "American Dream", the US actually has a low level of social mobility.
Now I think that the research that has been done by Richard Wilkinson deserves a response from economic liberals; either they broadly agree with him, or they can identify flaws in the research he has done, and maybe produce alternative research that shows that he is wrong.
Either way is what political debate is all about, but I would like to suggest that it would be wrong to ignore him.
In fact I would like to invite free thinkers who can get themselves to London on Sunday 13th September to come to the Hackney Lib Dems garden party at 3pm where Richard Wilkinson and Neil Stockley will be debating this topic.
I recommend you book in advance for half price here;
http://www.hackneylibdems.org.uk/events.php
wedding dress
6 Saturday, 20 March 2010 02:19
Prom Dresses 2010
Cheap Prom Dresses
Buy Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dress

Short Prom Dresses

Short Prom Dress

Vintage Prom Dresses

Vintage Prom Dress

Sexy Prom Dresses

Sexy Prom Dress

Simple Prom Dresses

Simple Prom Dress

Designer Prom Dresses

Designer Prom Dress

Quinceanera Dresses

Quinceanera Dress
wedding dresses
7 Saturday, 20 March 2010 06:15
cheap wedding dresses
cheap wedding dress
custom made cheap wedding gowns
cheap designer wedding dresses
cheap informal wedding desses

cheap medieval wedding dresses

cheap modest wedding dresses

Cheap Plus Size Wedding Dresses

Cheap Wedding Dresses

simple cheap wedding dresses
wedding dress
8 Sunday, 21 March 2010 06:08
Prom Dresses 2010
Cheap Prom Dresses
Buy Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dress

Short Prom Dresses

Short Prom Dress

Vintage Prom Dresses

Vintage Prom Dress

Sexy Prom Dresses

Sexy Prom Dress

Simple Prom Dresses

Simple Prom Dress

Designer Prom Dresses

Designer Prom Dress

Quinceanera Dresses

Quinceanera Dress
wedding dress
9 Monday, 22 March 2010 05:55
Prom Dresses 2010
Cheap Prom Dresses
Buy Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dress

Short Prom Dresses

Short Prom Dress

Vintage Prom Dresses

Vintage Prom Dress

Sexy Prom Dresses

Sexy Prom Dress

Simple Prom Dresses

Simple Prom Dress

Designer Prom Dresses

Designer Prom Dress

Quinceanera Dresses

Quinceanera Dress
wedding dress
10 Friday, 26 March 2010 05:58
Prom Dresses 2010
Cheap Prom Dresses
Buy Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dress

Short Prom Dresses

Short Prom Dress

Vintage Prom Dresses

Vintage Prom Dress

Sexy Prom Dresses

Sexy Prom Dress

Simple Prom Dresses

Simple Prom Dress

Designer Prom Dresses

Designer Prom Dress

Quinceanera Dresses

Quinceanera Dress
wedding dress
11 Friday, 26 March 2010 06:09
Prom Dresses 2010
Cheap Prom Dresses
Buy Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dress

Short Prom Dresses

Short Prom Dress

Vintage Prom Dresses

Vintage Prom Dress

Sexy Prom Dresses

Sexy Prom Dress

Simple Prom Dresses

Simple Prom Dress

Designer Prom Dresses

Designer Prom Dress

Quinceanera Dresses

Quinceanera Dress
wedding dress
12 Saturday, 27 March 2010 00:51
Prom Dresses 2010
Cheap Prom Dresses
Buy Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dress

Short Prom Dresses

Short Prom Dress

Vintage Prom Dresses

Vintage Prom Dress

Sexy Prom Dresses

Sexy Prom Dress

Simple Prom Dresses

Simple Prom Dress

Designer Prom Dresses

Designer Prom Dress

Quinceanera Dresses

Quinceanera Dress
wedding dress
13 Sunday, 28 March 2010 05:32
Prom Dresses 2010
Cheap Prom Dresses
Buy Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dress

Short Prom Dresses

Short Prom Dress

Vintage Prom Dresses

Vintage Prom Dress

Sexy Prom Dresses

Sexy Prom Dress

Simple Prom Dresses

Simple Prom Dress

Designer Prom Dresses

Designer Prom Dress

Quinceanera Dresses

Quinceanera Dress
wedding dress
14 Friday, 09 April 2010 05:16
Prom Dresses 2010
Cheap Prom Dresses
Buy Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dress

Short Prom Dresses

Short Prom Dress

Vintage Prom Dresses

Vintage Prom Dress

Sexy Prom Dresses

Sexy Prom Dress

Simple Prom Dresses

Simple Prom Dress

Designer Prom Dresses

Designer Prom Dress

Quinceanera Dresses

Quinceanera Dress
polo shirt
15 Monday, 12 April 2010 04:08
Replica nfl jerseys are becoming rapidly popular as regular attire.You will notice many teenagers donning a Bill Russell or Oscar Robertson jersey in pubs, colleges and discos.
In fact, nfl jerseys even individuals who are not NFL fans have started wearing these jerseys as a style statement.
Wholesale jerseys are only the beginning in terms of what you can expect to find online now.
wedding dress
16 Monday, 12 April 2010 06:50
Prom Dresses 2010
Cheap Prom Dresses
Buy Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dress

Short Prom Dresses

Short Prom Dress

Vintage Prom Dresses

Vintage Prom Dress

Sexy Prom Dresses

Sexy Prom Dress

Simple Prom Dresses

Simple Prom Dress

Designer Prom Dresses

Designer Prom Dress

Quinceanera Dresses

Quinceanera Dress
GHD Purple Straighteners
17 Tuesday, 13 April 2010 17:25
Have you seen this noble herve leger dress before?Don't you think its amazing?oneday the herve leger bandage dress
may become you own keep. And whatever the weather becomes,put on herve leger dresses,only add a coat,the problem will be sloved.


Are you looking for cheap Gucci for sale? Then there are retailers we offer Gucci Handbags for you.Gucci Canada just for you,time ties up now!

Buy Ghd Flat Iron,which any color is provide.The Hair Iron has a 1 ceramic standard width plate so is perfect for straightening and creating flicks. And now,the Lacoste sneakers are on discount,The different designs of lacoste shoes for men are lacoste Shop.Welcome to see our specials products lacoste shoes sale sale!
I just need this, Well done! Many thanks.
18 Friday, 16 April 2010 06:08
I don't got your point. But thank you all the same.
wedding dress
19 Sunday, 18 April 2010 08:59
Prom Dresses 2010
Cheap Prom Dresses
Buy Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dresses

Plus Size Prom Dress

Short Prom Dresses

Short Prom Dress

Vintage Prom Dresses

Vintage Prom Dress

Sexy Prom Dresses

Sexy Prom Dress

Simple Prom Dresses

Simple Prom Dress

Designer Prom Dresses

Designer Prom Dress

Quinceanera Dresses

Quinceanera Dress
cheap mbt shoes
20 Tuesday, 20 April 2010 03:53
Huge selection of Cheap MBT Shoes, 54% off on SALE! Find exactly what you want today. Wearing MBT Shoes while standing or walking will lead to more muscle movements. Special structure produces multifunction of weight lose,body-building and joints protection.A large number of Discount MBT Shoes available at MBT Shoes Sale. Welcome to our website,log yourself in!
Available Shipping all over the world. mbt chapa shoes have a firm effect on leg muscles. mbt lami shoes is the star product among the Discount MBT Shoes,which are extremely hot recently. And mbt m.walk shoes is one of the most popular and selling hot online since it was come up to the market.
ghd iv styler
21 Saturday, 08 May 2010 16:54
Our new GHD IV Styler including GHD IV ,GHD Purple,GHD IV Mini Styler,gold and black are on sale.GHD Straighteners,GHD Flat Iron 50% off with free delivery for the GHD IV Hair Styler hair straightener.Including the new cheap Lacoste Sneakers,wide plate shoes and Limited. The Lacoste Shoes Sale is irresistible.Lacoste Footwear is know to all that ever since the Lacoste Mens Shoes has been coming in various models each surpassing the previous one.Since then,Lacoste Sneakers developed rapidly,so do the price.I suggest Lacoste Online,Lacoste Canada,Lacoste Footwear,Lacoste Shoes For Men,Lacoste On Sale,cheap,pretty and you can achieve in the shoes industry and avoid injury.If you need to take part in parties often, if you want to be more beautiful in the parties, there is no doubt that you need to Louboutin Shoes.Louboutin Pumps's not only show your beauty but show your respect to others. So I have recommend you the Cheap Louboutin Shoes,Louboutin Shoes Sale is very popular among girls!In my opinion, the Mens Timberland Shoes is the first choice and after I used so many kinds of Mens Timberland Boots.Today,I recommend Timberland Shoes For Men and Timberland Boots For Men to you, may you love it and this kind of Timberland Store sale won’t hurt your foot!
links of london
22 Tuesday, 11 May 2010 01:06
Thank you for the information
Links of London Jewellery
23 Tuesday, 11 May 2010 09:12
"I didn't see you either at first," I said."But I heard you come in." I wondered if I would be able to prevent her from discovering that I couldn't see.I thought,provided I keep to my seat,it shouldn't be too difficult.

"I'm getting down at Saharanpur," the girl said."My aunt is meeting me there.Where are you going?"
designer handbags
24 Monday, 17 May 2010 08:12
My advice is to buy a designer handbags, is your wisdom will finish the task you price for.The handbags outlet is worth to collect the coach to check by Pierre Le - Tan, he whimsical style and keen eye color. But actually, I would choose the sand aaa designer handbags, in this collection are spent $250,cheap handbags outlet they had a perfect beach, feeling them. As illustrated duffel bag,designer handbags outlet there is a cabana and the hippocampus, umbrella theme. cheap designer handbags Quite frankly, I hardly know what I like most. I can draw a kind ofdesigner handbags for sale, cutting, t-shaped pants, I bikini, a hat and sunglasses.cheap handbags outle We have been trying to find out the lamentation, perfect beach bag.
jerseys
25 Wednesday, 19 May 2010 03:01
NBA jerseys
NFL jerseys
Basketball jerseys
NBA jerseys
NFL jerseys
Coach bags
Coach handbags
Coach sunglasses
Coach wallets
Ed Hardy
Ed Hardy jeans
Abercrombie clothes
Abercrombie jeans
Christian Louboutin shoes
Christian Louboutin boots
http://www.replica-china.net
26 Sunday, 30 May 2010 04:12
A very good article, I will always come in.
holle
27 Friday, 04 June 2010 07:09
your article is very good, I am interested in, usually I like to browse sites about Jordan shoes, because I really like Jordan shoes, I saw a very nice Jordan shoes sites, if friends like, you can take a look...
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
28 Friday, 04 June 2010 10:21
thank you for your post!
cheap jordan shoes
29 Tuesday, 08 June 2010 02:29
I want to thank you from the core of my heart for doing such a research.
cheap nike shox
30 Tuesday, 08 June 2010 09:51
Today, our company http://www.nikeshoxsales.com/ provides you nike shox at low price and best services!!!
We provide cheap nike shox with high reputation at a competitive price. our online shop is now one of the most professional and has most comprehensive range of goods for nike shox sale. Here we highly recommend you the nike shox nz, which are our flagship products with a successful sales performance. There are many different shapes of nike shox shoes, and Our shox nz with the four circular columns in a square shape are for maximum cushioning. shox nz black is our best sale because black could match with any other colors arbitrarily.
Now, you can own your nike shox shoes from our website with a lot discount price.
der
31 Thursday, 10 June 2010 21:48
abercrombie and fitch london
Lebron vii
32 Friday, 11 June 2010 08:10
lebron shoes, lebron shoes
nike shoes, nike shoes
abercrombie and fitch uk
33 Wednesday, 16 June 2010 05:43
I don't got your point. But thank you all the same.
p90x workout
34 Tuesday, 22 June 2010 09:30
P90X fitness may suit you to workout without feeling boring. P90X can give you a completely coach by Tony Horton and you can enjoy the joy when you do P90X workout once you purchase the P90X dvd. Shaun T's Insanity DVD is another good choice for you.
mbt
35 Saturday, 03 July 2010 02:35
mbt
it is a great post ,thanks for your share.
wholesale mlb jerseys
36 Saturday, 03 July 2010 08:16
Thank you for your sharing.
wholesale nfl jerseys
37 Saturday, 03 July 2010 08:17
It was a very nice idea!
air jordan 21
38 Monday, 05 July 2010 08:42
Demonstrate a unique new concept!
promdresses
39 Tuesday, 06 July 2010 08:24
prom gowns that are sure to make a lasting impression at yourformal,pageant,or special occasion.wedding dresses.These designs range from classic halter dressesbridesmaid dresses with cocktail dresses and
party gowns, to contemporary dresses with low cut halters, pleated skirts, or accents ranging from beads to bowsevening dresses. There are fabulous form fitting mermaid special occasion dresses, short strapless ball gowns in ombre fabrics that are fun and flirty, and dinner dresses, perfect for attending a wedding or holiday party. perfermance dressesBeaded evening gowns and sexy ceremony
dresses are trendsetters for 2010. bridal gownsLet Promdressesol help you find the perfect trendsetting dress custom design dresses that is right for you.
hollister clothing
40 Wednesday, 07 July 2010 15:58
hollister uk

hollister

hollister clothing
workout-px90
41 Wednesday, 21 July 2010 06:28
Latest insanity workout dvd
if you need insanity Workout Lets you easily fitness,cheap insanity workout program Let you be stronger
http://www.insanity-vs-p90x.com/
workout-px90 Lets you easily fitness Lets you easily fitness, px90-schedule keep you motivated keep you motivated, cheap Insanity Workout make you healthier, px90 Workout keep you motivatedit p90x insanity high quality,insanity p90x keep you motivated,will give you incredible results you want. Is P90X is very effective and very good fitness tool
http://www.workout-px90.info/
http://www.px90-schedule.info/
http://www.px90-insanity.info/
if you need P90X Workout Lets you easily fitness,px90 exercise program Let you be stronger
http://www.px90-exercise-program.info/
Mbt shoes special style,Mbt safiri different designs,MBT Chapa Personality,will provide you the special chance to realize your dream http://www.mbt-antishoes.net
welcome to buy!thank you!
hehe
42 Wednesday, 21 July 2010 06:37
Replica NBAjerseys are becoming rapidly popular as regular attire.You will notice many teenagers donning a Bill Russell or Oscar Robertson jersey in pubs, colleges and discos.
In fact, NFLjerseys even individuals who areMLBjerseys
not NFL fans have started wearing these jerseys as a style statement.
NHLjerseys are only the beginning in terms of what you can expect to find
hehe
43 Wednesday, 21 July 2010 09:23
Interesting thing!
This is my first time comment at your blog.
Good recommended website.
insaity workout
44 Thursday, 22 July 2010 08:01
if you need insanity Workout Lets you easily fitness,cheap insanity workout program Let you be stronger
http://www.insanity-vs-p90x.com/
workout-px90 Lets you easily fitness Lets you easily fitness, px90-schedule keep you motivated keep you motivated, cheap Insanity Workout make you healthier, px90 Workout keep you motivatedit p90x insanity high quality,insanity p90x keep you motivated,will give you incredible results you want. Is P90X is very effective and very good fitness tool

http://www.workout-px90.info/

http://www.px90-schedule.info/

http://www.px90-insanity.info/
if you need P90X Workout Lets you easily fitness,px90 exercise program Let you be stronger
http://www.px90-exercise-program.info/
Mbt shoes special style,Mbt safiri different designs,MBT Chapa Personality,will provide you the special chance to realize your dream http://www.mbt-antishoes.net
welcome to buy!thank you!
air jordan shoes sale cheapest
45 Friday, 23 July 2010 12:48
nike jordan shoes the cheapest
air jordan shoes sale cheapest
air jordan 1 cheapest choice
air jordan 1 the cheapest
air jordan 1 shoes the cheapest
nike air jordan 1 the cheapest
insaity workout
46 Saturday, 24 July 2010 07:37
we offer cheap and high quality workout-px90 dvd
if you need insanity Workout Lets you easily fitness,cheap insanity workout program Let you be stronger
http://www.insanity-vs-p90x.com/
workout-px90 Lets you easily fitness Lets you easily fitness, px90-schedule keep you motivated keep you motivated, cheap Insanity Workout make you healthier, px90 Workout keep you motivatedit p90x insanity high quality,insanity p90x keep you motivated,will give you incredible results you want. Is P90X is very effective and very good fitness tool

http://www.workout-px90.info/

http://www.px90-schedule.info/

http://www.px90-insanity.info/
vibram fingers different designs,five fingers runing Personality,barefoot running,high quality

http://www.vibram-fingers.info/
Mbt shoes special style,Mbt safiri different designs,MBT Chapa Personality,will provide you the special chance to realize your dream http://www.mbt-antishoes.net
welcome to buy!thank you!
insaity workout
47 Monday, 26 July 2010 07:41
It is a wonderful cheap and high quality workout-px90 dvd
if you need insanity Workout Lets you easily fitness,cheap insanity workout program Let you be stronger
http://www.insanity-vs-p90x.com/
workout-px90 Lets you easily fitness Lets you easily fitness, px90-schedule keep you motivated keep you motivated, cheap

Insanity Workout make you healthier, px90 Workout keep you motivatedit p90x insanity high quality,insanity p90x keep you

motivated,will give you incredible results you want. Is P90X is very effective and very good fitness tool

http://www.workout-px90.info/

http://www.px90-schedule.info/

http://www.px90-insanity.info/
uggs norge so fashionable,uggs i norge high quality,uggs sko Such a trend,This is an extra contour design,ugg saappaats

special style

http://www.uggsnorge.info

http://www.uggsaappaat.info/

vibram fingers different designs,five fingers runing Personality,barefoot running,high quality,
http://www.vibram-fingers.info/

Mbt safiri different designs,MBT Chapa Personality,will provide you the special chance to realize your dream

http://www.mbt-antishoes.net
welcome to buy!thank you!
NFL jerseys
48 Wednesday, 28 July 2010 07:55
Cheap nfl jerseys online for hot sale. They are popular at US, Choose your cheap nfl clothing from our nfl jerseys store, have much discount compare with the nfl apparel customary price. At the same time, you will find nfl jackets, nfl dallas cowboys Jerseys and many other nfl jerseys. It is the best place for you to buy cheap nfl jerseys on sale.
paul smith
49 Thursday, 29 July 2010 06:28
we sell all kinds of pual smith at http://www.smducks.com
234
50 Thursday, 29 July 2010 06:38
Time will tell whether it is the Conservatives or the Liberal Democrats who are in possession of the stronger political arguments. But if social justice and economic efficiency are the goals, there is little doubt which of them has the stronger policy arguments.
jimmy choo handbags?
51 Thursday, 29 July 2010 10:24
By now, the jimmy choo handbags under sales promotion, they are so cheap online, great discount of jimmy choo bags are sold nearly at its cost and free shopping. And we also provide many Jimmy choo hobos. It is really a good chance for shopping.
Last Updated ( Monday, 17 August 2009 10:53 )